tv Open Phones With Dennis Prager CSPAN May 14, 2016 11:30am-12:31pm EDT
speaking are medea benjamin and chris hedges that is a look at some of the other programs booktv is covering this week. many of these events are open to the public. and they will air in the near future on booktv on c-span2. >> host: joining us onset is radio talkshow host and author of seven books dennis prager. his most recent book is called "the 10 commandments: still the best moral code". dennis prager, what is on your mind? >> guest: very good opening question and i will answer you completely honestly, what is on my mind? it is not totally germane but quite germane to the 10 commandments, what i believe is the undoing of the american revolution and the decline of my beloved country, the greatest experiment in liberty and decency in human history. i do believe that a big part of
the reason is the radical secularization of our society. >> host: where did that come from? how did it come about? >> it came about, its origins emanate from europe. after world war i and even somewhat before but especially after world war i europe decided that everything it believed in was nonsense because of the massacres of world war i, the atrocious loss of life for no apparently good reason. that is a very important point. everybody understands world war ii was morally necessary. not everyone believes world war i was. they certainly didn't believe it afterwards, despite the versailles treaty, blaming germany and so on, nevertheless there was a feeling everything we believed in lettuce awry so we will drop religion and drop national identity, we will just become secular citizens of the world. america took its phds from
european universities starting in the late 19th century before world war i but nevertheless continuing and i think that is where it develops, where if you are intelligent you go back to darwin and marx, but the operative element was if you are bright you are not religious. at a university in the western world, not just the united states if you believe god created heaven and earth, that god is the source of thou shalt not murder, not just reason, you are considered a dummy and that foolishness, that truly is foolish because the deepest people i have ever met have overwhelmingly had a god centered understanding of the world, that is now taken as a given, that if you believe something like that you are intellectually suspect so that
is what has happened. >> host: when you hear somebody say i am spiritual but not religious -- >> how do you know to ask me such good questions. i have done hours of radio just on that subject. it is with all respect to people who say it, it is meaningless. it means i contemplate my navel in a sophisticated manner. that is the code word. it doesn't mean anything. what does it mean? if you have no religion what do you have? spirituality? what does spirituality mean? that you believe flowers are beautiful? you believe animals are loving? what does it mean? it doesn't mean anything. to the individual making it means something but without religion, without a code religion gives you a code. religion gives you a set of beliefs. i don't care if you reject them but at least you have to grapple with them. is real, the founding group of
the old testament means struggle with god. i take that seriously as a believer. i do struggle with god. when i see all the suffering in this world, the unjust suffering, just thinking for a moment, forgetting the obvious of your neighbor had pancreatic cancer at 32, a whole country called north korea which is a human concentration camp, the way people live there, the 100 million of world war ii, these things bother me. i understand struggling with god as a believer but i want the atheist to understand you have to struggle with god too. it is not enough. i was invited to the great credit, the american atheist, the biggest american atheist group, they invited me to their annual convention which was to their credit and to debate their head on god's existence.
at one point i looked at the audience who were completely by the way decent to me and i can't complain at all. they were just fine. i said to them would you raise your hand if you have ever seen a child born or listened to mozart's symphony or seen a van gogh painting or seen a sunset and said it is hard to believe that just happened on its own, maybe there is a god. not one hand went up. that i looked at them and said if i were to ask any religious audience have you ever seen a deformed baby and doubted god, raise your hand, everyone would have raised their hands. we believers struggle more than you atheist do and you think you are the questioning one. we are the questioning ones.
"the earp clan" where did this book the 10 commandments come from? >> guest: exactly what the subtitle says. it is still the best moral code? this changed human history and in the briefest book i wrote following the longest book i ever wrote which i have the honor of being on your show then, this is a transcription of the 11 lectures, the 10 commandments plus one introductory lecture on trageruniversity.com, we got 11, 12 million views and it continues to be widely viewed or all over the world and i have taught this my whole life from the hebrew, this is the distillation of every idea i had in teaching this for 40 years. it is a very important book to me. it is simple. if everybody lived by the 10 commandments you would not need
one army, one missile, one policeman, you would not have to put locks on your doors. this is all humans need to. it is amazing. >> host: we will put the phone numbers up because this is your chance to talk with radio talkshow host and other dennis prager. 202 is the area code, 748-8200. east and central time zone 748-8201 for those in the mountain and pacific time zones. we are at the los angeles times festival of books on the campus of the university of southern california. our guest, dennis prager. where did dennis prager university get its start? are you a jewish scholar? >> guest: it is pompous to say i am a scholar but i did teach jewish history and religion at brooklyn college at the beginning of my career. i have written two books on
judaism, and 200 articles. i got an award from the jewish-american press association for my columns on jewish matters, and the first 5 books of the bible in the hebrew better than english and i taught it much of my life. i certainly use the work of scholars, and this is very important. i believe the whole book, this five books, it is the greatest book ever written. certainly the 10 commandments is for humanity. of course it was given to the jews as it were, but it is for humanity. if everybody lived by it as i said that is all you would need. the rest is commentary. we started because we are very worried about what is happening where there is more indoctrination than education.
i love the mind, i love books, you are my favorite show. my wife is here, i told you this before. i am not sure you believe me. it is the only tv i watch, booktv. i am crazy about booktv. my wife introduced me to it. i love books. in high school i started reading and collecting books. i had 7000 books, i am crazy about books. i love the life of the mind but the university is shattering it because it is not the life of the mind, it is the life of dogma, of ideology. so we have gotten some of the greatest thinkers on earth to give 5-minute courses on the most important subjects in the world, from economics to sociology to history, and last
year we had 70 million views. it is an unbelievable number. in the english-speaking world there is very little that has more views or video content. the 10 commandments is one of them. that alone had 12 million views. this is the product, this book. we hope -- we got a letter, i will tell you one more thing, we got a letter from a graduate that i just graduated at stanford a couple years ago, i want you to know i learned more at stanford university. we got this from bill bennett's son. he went to princeton, he said i learned more there than at princeton. that is our intent. you get something you don't get at university, wisdom. >> host: we are in the middle of
a presidential campaign, how to the 10 commandments fit into a presidential campaign? >> guest: it is how you believe the united states was structured. i believe, i went over this with you in my last book, the best hope about america. i believe there is an american trinity just as there is a christian trinity. the american trinity is found, i didn't make it up. it is on every coin. in god we trust, liberty. america stands on those three. if you remove one of the other two cannot stand. liberty is dependent upon the other two, the other two are dependent upon liberty, god is essential, every founder, every founder said that. without god this country will not endure. they all said it, this notion that they were all deists, i hate to say this, like a dirty word to me because i so rarely use it but it is a lie.
they weren't deists. deists means someone who believes god created the world and became disinterested in it. benjamin franklin who admittedly was not an orthodox christian. he did not believe in the christian trinity but he did believe in the god of the bible and he believed in a judging god. that is what the secular world hates. i am convinced at its core people don't want to be judged and the hebrew bible and the 10 commandments introduced the idea that you and i and everybody here and everyone alive is going to be judged on their moral behavior. that is big. people don't like that. that is why the word judgmental is a dirty word. >> host: people want to hear your radio show? >> i am on every city, the vast
majority, big cities. you could hear it on the internet, there is an apps you can hear me on. i get calls from brazil, i got a call from his pakistan once. look up on google the peter slen -- the dennis prager show. and on syndicated radio. >> host: what is the main topic you talked about the last two or three weeks? >> guest: it is inevitable there is a lot about what is happening with regard to the republican side, my show, everybody's show is unique, more unique than others, i don't only talk about politics. i broadcast 15 hours a week, 3 hours a day, 9 to 12, question
time, and our of those 15 a week is male/female relations, and the most honest talk about men and women in the media today. an hour on happiness. and it is a moral obligation, and emotional state. and when people understand that, it is life-changing. one is on male or female and one is the ultimate issues. and the great issues of life. three of my hours are not on politics. obviously given to donald trump, there has been a lot to talk about that. >> host: you wrote on townhall, you could support donald trump. >> guest: that was a preface to a big attack on me. i think he is awful but i would
vote for him if he were the nominee because i believe, unfortunately, i never judge intentions, but i believe what the left has done to the country in undoing e pluribus unum, in god we trust and liberty has to be stopped. and i am doing everything i can to have anyone else be nominated, but if he is nominated, we have no choice. >> host: who is your favorite? >> guest: i said at the beginning and i stand by this that i thought marco rubio would have been the most effective of the republican candidates. i am sorry to see what happens. at the same time if ted cruz could be appointed, because nobody has obstacles to winning, he can win incidentally. more belief of that as time goes
on, ted cruz, i have a lot of admiration, he means what he says. he will be portrayed as a right wing kook whereas bernie sanders is not a left wing kook. for a man to believe in socialism when the only thing that has ever lifted humanity out of poverty has been capitalism, that is not considered kooky, there is nothing ted cruz says that comes close to the kookiness of bernie sanders. it is lunacy. the only thing that has lifted humans from poverty has been capitalism and the man is for socialism. as orwell said it is too stupid only an intellectual could believe it. >> host: you and bernie sanders,
both jewish, both new yorkers. >> that is about it. even on the both jewish, he is jewish ethnically, i am jewish religiously and being jewish doesn't mean anything to him and i don't hold that against him. you are not obligated in my opinion to affirm what you were born into, not at all, it is america, a free country, but i do affirm judaism very deeply whereas for him it is a nonissue and that is fine. that doesn't affect me one way or the other. i would say his views disturbed me tremendously but not the fact, a famous left-wing jewish historian called even non-jewish jews, that is not an insult. there is a book called the non-jewish jew, he is describing himself. it is not an insult but that is what he is. i am a jewish jew, he is a non-jewish jew, we don't have
>> host: gaye -- >> caller: and i could make a huge list. >> host: gaye, before we let you go, before we let you go, here are the ten commandments very quickly, and which of these do you think you live by? i am the lord, your god, you will have no other gods before me, do not take the lord's name in vain, remember the sabbath, remember the sabbath. honor your mother and father, no adultery, do not bear false witness. and do not covet. >> i amm not familiar with them.
i went to sunday school as a child. >> wise a childish and simplistic to think if the world lived by these it would be a good place? >> it is reasonable to live by these themes written in the bronze age. we know so much now. >> host: it is irrelevant whether itwh was written, beethoven -- we still listen. it is totally irrelevant. the content. will let dennis prager answer. >> guest: either they are valid or not valid. the fact barrel does not make them invalid any more than if something is new it is invalid. i want to know what is problematic, he do not covet, do not lie, why is that bad because it is old. >> host: the first point was a religious minority is making her
live under these. >> the secular majorities making her live under do not murder or bear false witness, do not steal, those have been accepted. i don't want the government to enforce all of these. i don't want you to be arrested if you commit adultery but i want people to live by it and i think they would like to live by too. what is irrelevant? you named nathem. what would you like? >> host: gate is gone and we will go to michael in illinois. you are on booktv with arthur dennis prager. of the 15 how are you doing? i am a first-time collar, longtime listener. i would like to run three things past dennis prager and take my hands off the phone. when you read something you are taking away history, the bible
was written but there was a lot of religion before that. what do you think about america having food shows where they eat the biggest hamburger and what is the cross between consumerism and free thought? did you take down those notes? >> host: what is the difference between consumerism and i missed -- >> guest: we missed that one. religions before, >> guest: they are onlyic applicable to the tribe. no religion for example prior to the hebrew bible said you should love the fallen. it is one of the most ubiquitous statements in the first five books of the bible, love the stranger because you were strangers in the land of egypt.
the idea that you love the foreigner and all people were created in god's image are brand-new ideas. of course there was religion prior. this is the first book in history to ban child sacrifice, to ban human sacrifice. people don't understand the spectacular revolution wrought by this book. they don't. there is a tremendous ignorance, willful ignorance. that is a good example, human sacrifice. it was accepted universally. along comes this book that says it is an abomination in god's eyes to sacrifice human beings. >> host: he went on to talk about consumerism and food shows. he is talking about society in general. >> host: i don't have a problem with consumerism. the american consumer support the world economy. of american started living only on what they need and nottth wh they would like, the unemployed
around the world would starve to death. thank god for the american consumer. he makes the world go round. i willot add another thing. obviously i am not a big fan of ostentatious umconsumption. i am not. i am against it. nevertheless, i think people should know -- i studied good and evil my whole life. lenin who was the father of evil of the 20th century, he created the terror state that then later was adopted by hitler and stalin, obviously following hitler.ni lenin was an aesthetic. lenin was the last -- he was not a consumerist. he didn't buy much. he denied himself pleasure. i am scaredre of people general,
not all, a catholic priest takes a vow of poverty, i respect that tremendously but when people say i don't want anything, i am a little worried. i want my children to want to make a home and take care of a family and have a picnic fence and two dogs. what is marked by the left i don't mock. i think it is a beautiful aspiration to wanto to make a beautiful home for yourself, your spouse and your children. >> host: next call from dennis prager, jim in connecticut, go ahead. >> caller: thanks for having me on. i appreciate the opportunity. this is a topic that fascinates me. after listening to dennis prager i have a bunch of other questions but i will stick with the when i originally called about and that is reframing the question you asked, can you be spiritual but not religious. my question is can you believe in god but not be religious? because frankly the gods that i
see, especially the abraham x religions, our cartoons. they are anthropomorphic. some -- an inevitable god is a pointless god but god is ineffable by definition. infinite, he is not mortal, he or she or it is not limited but we have turned god into this cartoon. we can see how that has unfortunately that is why people who think, who dennis prager doesn't appreciate, liberals, reject that cartoon is god, that anthropomorphic gogod, that god that justifies very unchristian politics of consume consume consume because it is good. i could go on and on. i will stop, because dennis prager has some interesting ideas but for anyonet to call themselves christian and not see that love is at the core of
christianity and jesus christ himself rejected the capitalism and the type of consumption dennis prager seems to elevate above all other good, is kind of blind. i will stop. >> host: that was jim. >> guest: for the record i am a jew, not a christian. nevertheless i thought it might be relevant. nevertheless i don't believe george washington, john adams, james madison and almost every great thinker in history believed in a cartoon. that dismissal ismo very common today. people have a dismissive attitude to those of us who actually believe in the god of the bible and you are free to have that belief. it is not cartoonish. it is indispensable that there is a god who demand that we be good people who we will have to answer.
the best idea ever developed for the creation of decent people. i would like everyone walking here to feel their behavior toward other humant beings is just by god. i don't know why that is objectionable. i don't. .. i can't think of a better idea. to think that i want through life having to be a good person and that god expects me to be good, why does that make people like the last caller angry so much so that he calls what we believe in a cartoon? it's a puzzle to me, frankly. i deal with them on the radio show, i deal with it in e-mail. i can only say that this is what -- it has presented a cartoonish caricature of what we believe in. and then say we believe in the cartoon that they have caricatured.
>> host: next call is jacob in fayetteville, georgia. jacob, you're on booktv. hello. >> caller: thank you so very much. i have one quick concern or question. in the books we talked about, there is so much murder of the folks who are not jewish. i can't understand why is there, i mean, there is more killing in those books than any of the books that are written about a god tight. would you please, you know, just sure why that is? entire villages -- >> host: are you referring to the five books of the torah we spoke of earlier? >> caller: right. >> host: thank you, sir. tragically very fair question and i don't want to interrupt the caller.
>> guest: if there were a law in those five books that said jews, you must kill those who don't believe like you, i would cease to be a believer. it there were just one such verse in the entire hebrew bible i would cease to be a believer for i would not have written in this book. i would opt out of my religion. there isn't a hint of the notion that a should kill a non-jew. that jews conquering canaan, conquered it in a warlike manner, yes, that is a every place on earth was ever conquered. that is what happened but there was no suggestion that you kill people who don't believe as you do. there is no such a suggestion to contact the bible goes out of its way to say you cannot go into canaan until they have
become so evil that they deserve to be taken over. when the amount and the evil was child sacrifice. that's how bad they were. >> host: what's the secret to being a successful radio talk show host? isn't a wide variety of interest? >> guest: i've given up a lot of thought. i've been on for three for your site just, i earned the right to answer your question. this is not necessarily reflect on me but it reflects on really all of my colleagues coming to the people i don't agree with. the first thing, interestingly enough, the first thing is you must constantly be interesting. to be totally honest in giving you an answer. you can be brilliant, you can be anything wonderful, but if your not interesting, people will tune you out. they have thousands of other
options in different radio stations, and listen to books, listening to music, talking to a friend on the phone. it's endless. so the first rule when young people say to me i'd like to be a talk show host, how would i know i can do it? i say very easy. go into a room, sit alone for three hours and the interesting. if you can do that, talking to the wall for three hours, you have a chance. >> host: center is calling in from olympia, washington. please go ahead with your question or comment for dennis rader. >> caller: you and i, we have to be twins. i spend every weekend on booktv. i'm a book called. >> guest: that's right. we have good company with each other. >> caller: i agree. i'm astonished. i am. i'm not able to reach you on the radio here, although i listen to
rush on occasion but i urge in the past. i've been, oh, golly, i've been interested since i was three years old, okay? growing -- >> guest: you have been what? >> caller: i have been missing person since i was three years old and growing at it. it was the nature of her family. i grew up learning. i got a good education. my education was in high school. i went to college and i was pretty disappointed and it was a pretty fair college, but they're just beginning to turn at that point. my religious history, my philosophical, political history goes way back. i am still nominally a republican, but i'm looking
around. am also looking at the libertarians. i think they're coming along. but as far as -- yes. >> guest: let me write it for me to the point, let me react to the point you made about college. because this was a very important part of my own realizations here, religious and otherwise. when i was in graduate school at columbia, i realized i had so many bright i realized i had so many bright professors but i was taught -- i hate to say this -- a loss of knopp independence. i was at the school international affairs and i was taught the united states as was responsible for the cold war as stalin and khrushchev and brezhnev. thought, you have to be kidding?
and then i was taught that men and women are basically the same. that boys are just as happy to play with dolls and girls are just as happy to play with trucks if you'd only give them a specific -- those specific items to play with. i thought this is ridiculous. i'm been taught nonsense and it's gotten worse since i was there and then one day, i was walking around my campus at columbia, and i was puzzled, why am i learning so much nonsense by so many intelligent people? then a verse i learned in youish school as a child came to my -- came out of nowhere into me and that is: wisdom begins with fear of god. realized, oh, my god, there's no wisdom at columbia because there's no god at columbia, and i have -- there's brightness. there's intelligence.
there's quacks at columbia. there's knowledge. but there was no wisdom and there is it no wisdom. there are exceptions, obviouslys' some wise prefers but also the universities left their original god basis, which is what all of them have, they have become less and less wise and more and more, as was written about our universities, idiotic. and i say with sadness. did realize it's very hard -- if you believe everything is relative this, no multimat truth or beauty or morality, everything is the individual, then look at the arts. look at what happened to the arts when god died? we present from michelangelo and from mozart and now look at what they have -- here in southern california, there is a gigantic
sculpture in the front of the museum of art in orange county, and the sculpture is of a dog lifting his leg and peeing. it's symbolic in the extreme of what is happening to the arts. e to the ugly. the scatological, related to -- one of the biggest awards in germany was given to an artist who sculpted a policewoman crouching and urinating. even the puddle is scummed and that got one of the biggest awards in germany. this is what happens when god dies. so does humanity. >> host: we are at the "los angeles times" book festival on the campus of university of southern california, talking with dennis prager. there are drums and dogs barking
and people shouting and walking by. i hope you hear a little bit of that but hopefully you're hearing our conversation more importantly. paul is in spokane, washington. good ahead, paul. >> caller: hi, dennis. i appreciate you coming on. it's a pleasure to talk with you. i was just -- i heard about you through several other sources. i identify as a kind of a ben shapiro conservative, you might say, but i am an evangelical reformed christian, westminster confession. i believe that the ten commandments apply though in a different way. wasn't aware you were jewish, though, until just now. my original question was, do you sympathize or do to you tend to lean towards or side with evangelical dominionists? i don't agree with dominionism
but i wanted your take on it. >> host: paul, before we hear from mr. prager, what is a ben shapiro conservative. >> caller: i listen to him and i agree with his statements, the new young conservative movement. very brave and very forthright. >> host: thank you, sir, very much. and ben shapiro was on the program last year from l.a., but go ahead. >> guest: i know him well. he does a lot of good work. the dough dominionist -- i work for evangelicals and i'm familiar with evangelical the ago. the dominionists would like to see america become theocratic or just a charge that
anti-evangelicals make? >> hoe -- he is gone, the caller is gone. >> guest: we don't see theologically complete my eye-to-eye, but i use the term judeo-christian values, not judeo-christian theology. judaism and clintity but there are judeo-christian values. this country was found on them. the christians who founded america were deeply judeo-based. mar pretty thatcher was deeply such. she said, western culture is judeo-christian. >> host: den nice prager, couple of of state laws have or have not gone into effect in north carolina, mississippi, georgia vetoed it. about bathrooms, about gender equality, about -- what is it
about? >> guest: well, it's first and for most about religious liberty. so, for example, if i am a photographer and you are going to have a same-sex wedding or gay wedding as it's often called and you want me to be in the photographer and take part in the wedding and i say, look, i would happily have you sit down and take your photo for your wedding. would happily take your photo for anything you wanted. but to participate in an event that violates some of my core values, one of which is that marriage has been set definitionaly by laud to mean the union of one man and one woman. i ask you to you understand i can't participate in that event. there's been a lot of unfair reporting. the people that i have followed, the case is have followed, i think louisiana and then washington and oregon and elsewhere, it was always
opposition to an event, not a person. the baker in one case always baked cakes for a gay customers. that was never an issue. and by the way, would be opposed. you can't not bake a cake because you don't like someone's sexual orientation. that to me is a given. but asking me to bake a cake for an event, i don't think -- forget religion. i think we should have the liberty to say, look, i will bake a cake for you but i'm morally opposed to your event. i can see a pro-choice baker saying i can't bake a cake or i can't be involved in your pro-life rally. please don't ask me to do that.
it's an event i fundamentally it is a tension between liberty and religious liberty, and certain act of decency and equally. it is a tension. but to dismiss everybody as a hater who thinks that i need to preserve my right to live by by religious scruples, that's a very dangerous movement in american life. >> host: next call comes from fountain hills arizona. go ahead. >> caller: dennis prager, i'm the biggest talk radio had across all the am dial and you were so be the best. may i borrow a phrase endeavor to make you think a second time, even better to make you laugh. being my favorite contemporary -- because my faith is wrong with catholicism and my philosophy is libertarianism, for i believe in free will and
free markets, faith and reason are two sides of the same coin. in god i trust. so mad quickly say i don't worship man's law, but god's law. so speaking of god's commandments and keeping them safely, a quick a two-part question. how is labeling -- [inaudible] not born amongst us in illegal for migrating to our free country without anybody's permission? and how is it not violating god second greatest commandment, to my fellow republicans to pick and choose who should stay or who should go in our beloved united states, based on aim materialistic worldview judging a migrants worthwhile being in the united states either skills they might present from the here and now? >> guest: so what is the
alternative event for any number, whether it's 20 or 30 million who come in illegally, we should all all of them to remain? i just want to understand your position. there is no border then that should be sacrosanct for any country? >> host: i'm afraid he is gone. sorry. >> guest: let me just say on this and i think it is important, i have said for years and written, summon can certainly search it on the internet, -- someone came -- i have emphasized over and over that if i were a latin american, especially central america, and i could not get into the united states legally, i would go into the united states illegally. i, dennis prager, if i were mexican and i knew i am in one
of the most corrupt societies on earth, and the greater society on earth is 100 miles north of me, i'm going to bring my children to where there is hope, the united states of america, and take them out of the hopeless corruption that pervades mexico. so i would do that. i don't have one moral issue with peopl p i don't have one moral issue with the people who come in illegally. 0 attachment i don't understand why people on the other side understand that america has a moral obligation to protect borders, we can't allow all people who live in corrupt countries to come here. we have to have controlled immigration. otherwise the country doesn't -- we have rather unique values so we have to be careful about taking in unlimited numbers of people who often represent
different values. i adore latin america. i put my rhetoric where my values are. i make the points to those who knock the immigrants, in california we have an enormous number of latin americans. often men will gather at corners, be picked up to take as day laborers at homes. how come we have never heard of one woman raped? by any of these men that she takes to her house? not only that, white women will more readily pick up stranger, latin american young men, put them in her suv and take them to her house, than white men. that's much we trust at latinos.
so they come to america with a latin american view of the state. should be as big as possible. that's not the american view. it's the view of the left but not the view that america was founded on, which is limited government. >> host: next call for mr. prager is terry in connecticut. go ahead. we're listening. >> caller: good afternoon, people. mr. prager, i don't get you in connecticut but if i did i would be listening because i agree with everything you have said. rush limbaugh, i listen to because i get him, and mark levin, i love him. he is a constitutional genius. i love ted cruz for the same reasons. and i wanted to say as far as god goes, okay, man is an arrogant creature. he cannot accept the idea of
only nip pent god. and as far as capitalism goal, if you ever heard ayn rand, she says if there nor rich or prosperous, the poor would never be able to benefit. okay? and cheese said, i have come to give you life abundantly, and that doesn't mean spiritually. he wants everyone to pros sir so all your points i say good, for you, mr. prager, and if could get you i'd listen to you. thank you for taking my call. >> guest: thank you. well, i generally respond to those who differ more at greater length than those who agree. so thank you very much. you can get me, you can watch prager university.com. >> host: if terry were to find you on the enter note, how should she do that?
>> guest: there's both android and mac apps. den nit prager show. download the app and listen to the show sometime you want. you can go to prager-topia.com and then get commercial-free -- download any of my shows and then share them with others. you can just listen to me live. dennis prager.com. listen to the show. most of the cases i am on your local station but not obviously in every case. so, it's extremely simple. prager university.com is not just myself -- last week we had george will as the presenter, the five-minute videos woe give. it is meant to change minds and we got 70 million views last year. we're making an impact because i'm worried -- i'm truly worried about america. it was founded on certain principles which are being
denied. liberty and small government and a god-based populace, that is what the founders wanted. if people feel responsible morally to a god, they will generally act petitioner. do you know that secular professors did a fascinating study and found where people believe in hell there is more ethical behavior than where people do not believe in hell, which makes perfect sense. if you believe that you'll be caught speeding, you don't speed. if you don't think you'll ever be punished for speeding ', you will speed. why deny basic, simple facts of life? because we want to deny them. as one of the earlier callers say i don't want to be judged. you don't either, mr. prager. but i do want to be judged. pray to god that i'll be judged, because if i'm judged, then everybody is judged and there is
moral meaning to the university. . i want mother teresa to be in heaven. i want adolf hitler to be in hell. if you don't want it, there's something wrong with you. you don't want the worst of the worst punished? you don't want the best of the best reward? you've got to go to college to think that foolishly. >> host: you listen to rush limbaugh, mark love in? >> guest: i listen to everybody. the only problem with rush, we are on at the same time. it's a little difficult but i'm friendly with him and i and all of these people of course and i do listen, yes. i listen in the same way that i guess i shaft would eat that fills up other chefs. because we know what goes into it. it fascinates me to see how do o these other guys do with the same issues that i do?
>> host: nashville, tennessee, 30 seconds. >> caller: yes, mr. prager, thank you very much for being a voice for conservatism and goods and. i appreciate that. i'm curious, i've been intrigued the last two years with the catholic doctrine of natural law and i'm curious if you what kind of speak to the jewish approach to natural law? >> guest: it's a tough question because i'm ambivalent on the natural law issue. i don't think that you can get, to the extent that it means law coming from nature, from the natural state of the world, i don't think nature provides any moral guidance. i think, ultimately it is nature's god as our founders put it. there needs to be a revelation of good and evil that comes from beyond nature.
schoolboard members don't know or don't understand the limits the constitution places on their ability to control what students say while others disregard the law because they don't like it. as i worked on the book lamb -- almost everybody talked to said i have a censorship story, and long-time teachers told me they had no idea that students had first amendment rights, and they asked where i had come up with such a creative notion. so, in proceeding i have to begin by giving you a whirlwind tour of first amendment doctrine as it applies to students and then i'll turn to some stories that capture some of the particular contemporary dilemmas. the speech clause of the first amendment is very concise. it says congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. as interpreted this means that the government, and anyone
acting on behalf of the government, may not silence speech because of its content or viewpoint. school districts and everyone who works for them, prom principals to teachers to school bus drivers are the government when we talk about students' freedom to speak. my research and comments are limited to public schools because the first amendment doesn't apply to independent schools, whether secular or religious. they're not the government. the supreme court first took up the issue of student speech rights in 1943 in one of the earliest cases in which it actually upheld the speech writes of any individual. barnett vs. west virginia involved almostly school students, jehovah's witnesses at risk of expulsion and being sent to a juvenile reform torry because they refueled to say the pledge of allegiance of the ground it offended their religion but it was not
litigated or interpreted as a religion case. the consequences today of speaking up and being punished can be dire. many students enter the school to prison pipeline as a result of being spined, expelled or sent to alternative school for troubled students after they engage in protective speech. so just like the jehovah's witnesses in 1943, the consequences are stark. barnett held that people, including young students, could not be forced to say what was not in their minds. a concept we today called the rule against compelled speech. the court emphasized the constitutional limits on the state's coercive powers. whether exercised by, quote, village tyrants or by the testified government. and underscored the first amendment was designed to protect nonconformists of all stripes. the court particularly focused
on schools because the case involved two elementary school girls. because schools are educating the young for citizenship, they must -- to teach youth to discount important principles of government as near plat tattoos -- mere platitudes. >> you-wam this and other programs online. >> i'm pleased to introduce man nisha sinha. the author of the counterrevolution of slavery, politics and ideology in antebellum, says, and the author of the history of the slave trade. in 2011 she was awarded a chan lore's medal and is the